Hello guys

[kingrim]

wellcome zoran nice to meet you

tsagos has a point it would be great to put some prices

[kwstas_original]

Hey Zoran, welcome!

I'd love to see your basement and i'm sure others too!
50 250 tanks?...WoW!
If you have any general pics of the whole place i'm very curious...
Although i don't wanna see the electricity bill!

Thanks for sharing and enjoy yourself

[zorans83]

Coming from a monsterfish keeper it means a lot
You guys are crazyyyyyy!!!! I check some monsterfishkeeper tanks from time to time and just dont know what to say. The fish house is not much of a big deal.It's not organised as I want it to be so.. who am I kidding the place is a mess
That happens when you glue a tank after a tank and you change your concept of infrastructure about 100 times.But good news.I found a small basement near by and I'm turning this baby into a Tanganyika sanctuary and its going to look all pretty and stuff, and there wont be a hundred buckets lying around
I am constantly traveling to pick up some new species I don't have in my collection so I think it will be a good idea to make like a short story of How I got those fish and with lots of pictures and stuff.I do a thing like this for a couple of other international forums and people like it.What do you guys think?

[kwstas_original]

Αρχική Δημοσίευση από zorans83

Coming from a monsterfish keeper it means a lot
You guys are crazyyyyyy!!!! I check some monsterfishkeeper tanks from time to time and just dont know what to say. The fish house is not much of a big deal.It's not organised as I want it to be so.. who am I kidding the place is a mess
That happens when you glue a tank after a tank and you change your concept of infrastructure about 100 times.But good news.I found a small basement near by and I'm turning this baby into a Tanganyika sanctuary and its going to look all pretty and stuff, and there wont be a hundred buckets lying around
I am constantly traveling to pick up some new species I don't have in my collection so I think it will be a good idea to make like a short story of How I got those fish and with lots of pictures and stuff.I do a thing like this for a couple of other international forums and people like it.What do you guys think?

Mess or no mess wherever people puts his love and his passion the result is always great

So if i understand right you're going to rent a basement to house your fishroom?
Isn't it a perfect idea or what?!

You must have very interesting spices in your collection, i can't wait to see some stuff from you matte!

[lingistis]

Welcome zorans83 to GAB

I am surprised to see that you are putting up fro grabs the “I am selling fish” aspect in this forum as well… straight from your first post. I would had expected, since you found that it is not affordable to sell fish to Greece, you to show us photographs of your aquarium and fish, tell us how you manage all those tanks ect… which are very interesting topics to talk about.

Myself, since I am a mbuna keeper and I am only a couple of hours drive from your town, why don’t you post were we can come and find you… I think this would be a great idea for a nice one-day return trip. That way we can see your fish first hand, learn from your experience and probably buy some rare to Greece species.

So that there would be no misconception to my post, I am referring to my original question to you about proper papers and veterinary control of your fish that are to be imported to the E.E. from a third country. You replied that this can be arranged but since it costs 180 euros we (by we, the members of the other Greek forum) should forget the hole thing and abandonee the idea of buying fish straight from you. This was only a couple of days ago… so my question is what has changed?

As I wrote, I would like to see photos of your breeding tank settings, read on your breeding methods and of course talk about mbuna ect… and if I am invited, I would seriously consider a day visit with friends to your facilities.

Για αρχή συγνώμη για την παρέμβαση αλλά βλέπω εδώ να εξελίσσετε ένα σοβαρό θέμα, δηλαδή η μετακίνησης προς πώληση ζωντανών μεταξύ χωρών μη μελών της Ε.Ε., το οποίο έχει γίνει θέμα συζήτησης και σε άλλα ξένα forum, με αρκετές αρνητικές κριτικές για όσους το πράττουν.

Τα παραπάνω ψάρια που προτίθεται να πουλήσει ο συνχομπίστας – πουλητής από τα Σκόπια θα μπουν νόμιμα στην Χώρα μας;

Θα συνοδεύονται από χαρτιά κτηνιάτρου;

Εάν ναι τότε όλα καλά

εάν όχι τότε μήπως ενθαρρύνετε η παράνομη διακίνηση ζωντανών μεταξύ χωρών

[in the pond]

Very impressive pictures indeed!!!
Welcome to our company and thank you for sharing with us.

[kwstas_original]

Αρχική Δημοσίευση από lingistis

Για αρχή συγνώμη για την παρέμβαση αλλά βλέπω εδώ να εξελίσσετε ένα σοβαρό θέμα, δηλαδή η μετακίνησης προς πώληση ζωντανών μεταξύ χωρών μη μελών της Ε.Ε., το οποίο έχει γίνει θέμα συζήτησης και σε άλλα ξένα forum, με αρκετές αρνητικές κριτικές για όσους το πράττουν.

Τα παραπάνω ψάρια που προτίθεται να πουλήσει ο συνχομπίστας – πουλητής από τα Σκόπια θα μπουν νόμιμα στην Χώρα μας;

Θα συνοδεύονται από χαρτιά κτηνιάτρου;
Εάν ναι τότε όλα καλά

εάν όχι τότε μήπως ενθαρρύνετε η παράνομη διακίνηση ζωντανών μεταξύ χωρών

Συγνωμη κι ολας αλλα στην Ελλαδα δεν ερχονται μονο ψαρια απο την Ε.Ε.
Αληθεια αυτα καθεστε και συζητατε στα ξενα φορα?!

Και στην τελικη...εχεις παρει ποτε ψαρια με χαρτια κτηνιατρου?!?!?
Η ακομη και αυτα που εισαγωνται απο επισημους εμπορους συνοδευονται απο χαρτομανι?!?

[zorans83]

Lingistis I am also surprised that you are following me from forum to forum stating exactly the same thing over and over again.I have closed The add at the other forum mainly because of your demands.Which I find them to be ridiculous and by the way, so are all the other members of the forum, who have encouraged me to continue and not give up because of one .... guy who seams to be everywhere .If you are that interested in my fish than why don't you write a pm instead of writing in my topics demands which are impossible to be meet.Please tell me if you see a price list anywhere in this topic.I haven't put one yet even though a couple of members have continuously asked me to.
To answer your question YES! you and a couple of your friends can come and visit me.Yes you can see my display tanks.You can see my breeding tanks.Hell I can even give you the key from the whole fish house if I thought that would be enough.But I get the feeling it still won't.After all if you feel that patriotic and take ti upon your self to protect the greek people from being damaged somehow by this transaction, you'd stop to read the add and see that fish offered are being payed in person and picked up in person.If I risk the trip all the way to Thesaloniki to meet someone I never met before and also risk the possibility of him not liking my fish (which then I sentence to death since I'll be coming back very late and they cant survive that long in a bag ) and that doesn't cut it for you and you need more??? I think a lot of guys reading this post to this point think the same thing and that is ...You are being ridiculous.You are either a breeder or a shop owner or engaged somehow in this business and hate to see things change for you.I am explaining this whole situation again not for you but for all the guys who you are trying to convince not to buy fish from me.
"We are able to provide the following documents base on each country’s specifications:
- Certificate of Origin 30 eur
- Fish Health Certificate SGD 20 eur
- CITES Permit 70 eur
It is the responsibility of the buyer to notify us about the requirement of all documentations in accordance with the
regulations of their destination country; we will complement all documents necessary. However, we will
not be liable for any missing documents, fines and confiscated goods if the buyer fails to notify us of the
requirements.
It is recommended that all live animals should be cleared from the customs in any condition. This is for the
welfare of the animals. And we will contribute our part should there be a need to."
The info in the citation mark is a part of the business terms I have with whole sale customers,or shop owners in other words retailers.In short I can provide you with all papers necessary at your expense.You still wont be able to import the fish since you'll need a registered quarantine and a licence to import live stock.That can be only provided to you by Greek authorities.I have tried to offer fish to another forum at a retail price and deliver ( not more than 50 fish at one trip).For that purpose It is possible for me to bring the fish to Thessaloníki and avoid all the extra paper charges.
Since the demand showed up to be not more than 10 fish and you my friend came with those ridiculous demands I concluded that it is really not worth for me economically to go through this whole thing.That is why I have closed the add even though I regret it.I am contacting a number of Shop owners who can reach my minimum quantity order and wont put 500% profit on them since the wholesale prices of my fish are ridiculously low does enabling everyone to have them.That was my idea when I started this whole fish house and it will hold me to the end.If no such agreement is met by any shop or importer I will try again to make an agreement with the forum owners and administrators.I guess you'll still be here to spoil that for everybody but don't worry.I'm a pretty persistent guy